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1		Registration is NGF120, and M8427 was later renumbered to M750 to avoid five figure fleet numbers.	31/03/2024	Clive G
2		Regarding 739J, the vehicle was ready to attend but, despite all the planning and organizing that had taken place, its owners were unable to bring it from Yorkshire.	07/12/2023	1260F
3		It isn't correct to say that 830J wasn't roadworthy. It was driven on public roads, quite legally, a short distance from where it was offloaded, entering the Brooklands site with the other service vehicles that attended. Because it had only been passed fit a few days earlier and has seen little use for many years, the LTM decided to transport it from and to Acton, to avoid any potential problems.	07/12/2023	1260F
4		WT21EFX is also a service vehicle numbered MTR75214 (on paper)	21/10/2023	Ray
5		LM72ZBE is on the left. Tom has trouble with his reft and light!	01/08/2023	Ray
6		Presumably this was working from Stamford Hill where it was allocated for a time.	19/07/2023	Ray
7		This vehicle is parked across the entrance to the tower wagon shed at the substation located at 520, Garratt Lane, Earlsfield. There is no evidence of any other substation in Earlsfield or in Garratt Lane.	10/07/2023	Clive G
8		Operated by 'Abellio London Bus' providing rail replacement services. There are also operations by other parts of the Company across the U.K. See the website on https://www.abellio.co.uk/rail-replacement	29/06/2023	Ray
9		Seen at Romford bus terminus 22/4/2023	22/04/2023	Ray
10		The van is a Ford model T. It has the post 1916 radiator and the curved edges to the wings suggest it dates from the mid twenties.	21/04/2023	Phillip Walton
11		Use of this logotype or versions of it seems to have peaked in about 1922 certainly a few years later it had been superseded by much simpler branding.	17/04/2023	Andrew Colebourne
12		The U and D are there faintly as is some of the border decoration. The photographic emulsion was not very sensitive to blue. A similar effect can be found in pictures where there are Union flags, the red seeming darker than the blue. In this case I think the remaining lettering is likely to be black. A version of the "London's Underground" logotype can be seen in this 1921 "Suggestions" sticker in the LTM collection: https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/posters/item/1983-4-8	17/04/2023	Andrew Colebourne
13		I dont believe the MC numbers were painted on the chassis until the early sixties. I searched in vain for identification when spotting till about 1963 without seeing them. But of course they also had body numbers allocated, so I imagine they would be located inside somewhere, but I dont know where!	07/01/2023	Clive G
14		Is this the former 972J as the fleetname looks rubbed off and there is no longer legal lettering?	30/11/2022	Ray
15		New question! Were these vehicles allowed to operate with just one headlamp?	29/11/2022	Thomas Young
16		The triangular panel also featured on the offside and I suspect it may have been for a bar to support a tarpaulin to cover the staircase. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/rtw501/52023149955. Also visible in both photos are additional (and larger) drainage slots cut in both sides at upper deck floor level, which also seem to be a later change. Finally, in the photo here, the front nearside window is uncovered. Others seem to have had this plated (or covered) over.	29/11/2022	Thomas Young
17		Different photos of both 972J and 969J show them with and without adverts. I suspect those might all be for National Savings, but they're not all clear enough to see. What may be unique with 972J is the addition of that triangular topped panel on the upper deck above the entrance. It did not have it when first converted so I wonder what that was all about.	28/11/2022	Clive G
18		This car goes back to Acton tomorrow off lease	25/11/2022	David C
19		I believe it is the end of statiON.	15/11/2022	Ray
20		What I can't figure out is the LT sign ending in "ON"?	14/11/2022	Kim Rennie
21		I was almost right! LL20DVK is 9044F, while LL20DVN is 9048F.	22/09/2022	Thomas Young
22		At Eltham station 9/9/2022	09/09/2022	Ray
23		I think the reg plate is fitted but the glare of the sun is making the plate look blank.	26/08/2022	Paul Nicholls
24		I would have guessed that this is the bus station in front of the old garage (K) which closed in 1984 but continued as a bus station until Cromwell Road opened in 1995. It is however the station stand comparing other photographs.	26/08/2022	Ray
25		Although officially numbered 8633R, this van is now known to actually be 8632R.	23/08/2022	Thomas Young
26		Although colour sides can suffer from decolourisation over the years, I do recall that these were in an orange/red shade.	08/08/2022	Kim Rennie
27		At Eltham station on 22/7/2022	22/07/2022	Ray
28		They are meant to come back to Eltham but many just stay up at Kidbrooke.	19/05/2022	David C
29		I am not sure all vehicles parked in that location are company vehicles! The Astra behind has a blue star badge but not sure about the blue one. I will be walking the dogs that way a few times to try and find others!	17/05/2022	Lidinson
30		Drivers sometimes arrive early to have a cup or a leak (or both) where time permits on the way to/from Kidbrooke	17/05/2022	Ray
31		The blue car alongside is more interesting. Presumably it is a crew vehicle (being parked in the area concerned).	17/05/2022	Ray
32		The Routemaster is RCL2226, distinguishable by the pale green band and was the last example to carry it. En route from Godstone garage to AEC Southall Works. The RCL was rehabilitated and returned to service on the 149 from Edmonton Garage, and is now [May 2022] part of Ensign's heritage fleet.	15/05/2022	aecsouthall
33		I believe the shed was a car wash/valet.	23/01/2022	Paul Nicholls
34		This one belongs to NDC Services of Addlestone	04/01/2022	Adam Floyd
35		Shortly after the trolleybuses were withdrawn I remember seeing one of these pulling cables out of the pavement from an underground conduit. As a result of that I assumed the retention of two at Acton, together with a cable carrying trailer, were for the same purpose. There were obviously many underground cables linking substations with power stations and various sections of the tram and trolleybus system, and I believe the redundant conduits are now used privately for telecommunications.	13/12/2021	Clive G
36		6th January 1951 was the end of Clapham trams as well as some routes at Brixton (16/18 remained). It could be 352R is involved in preparatory work around the area.	04/12/2021	Ray
37		Thanks. I can see it now!! The big building behind is in fact 2 buildings that appeared to merge into one.	18/11/2021	Lidinson
38		The frontage of Watford Leavesden Road has been incorporated into a new deveopment called Leavesden Lodge. Here's a link to the brochure prepared at the time: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiEubau_pz0AhVNLewKHctQAfcQFnoECAMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsewellgardner.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FCopsewood-Lodge-Leavesden-Lodge-Brochure.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1T2C26ijCoiP7xMRBWMWKn Worth a look for those not aware of it is the Garages page on Jonathan Wilkin's site: http://www.ampyx.org.uk/lcountry/ Apparently some of the boundary wall of Addlestone still stands. It is also worth noting that the former Eastern National garage in South Street, Bishops Stortford, which was used by National to run Northern Country Area services, still survives. Ironically it is used by National Tyres and Autocare: https://www.national.co.uk/branch/221/bishops-stortford/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=mybusiness See also Google maps here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8655939,0.1608682,3a,75y,71.94h,86.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smviPqU8TIOeemECZK4Oqqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192	16/11/2021	Andrew Colebourne
39		Alan has advised that the photo was taken on Adelaide Avenue. Ladywell Close is on the left, Prendergast School in the background and Hilly Fields out of view on the right.	15/11/2021	Thomas Young
40		I have worked in Lewisham for over 30 years. I am stumped to identify this location as are a couple of my colleagues!! That big building in the background should be a giveaway!	14/11/2021	Lidinson
41		HV1 was in passenger use every day during October (and previous months)	21/10/2021	Ray
42		The logo on YT70VHD is now known to be that of 'We Make Sparks', a brand of 'Sparks Welding Services' of Slough. This company do vehicle modifications and repairs and also leasing/hiring.	08/10/2021	Thomas Young
43		The yellow logo at the bottom left of the front is that of 'We Make Sparks', the brand for Sparks Welding Services of Slough. This company does vehicle maintenance and modifications, and also now vehicle leasing and hiring (the logo is also carried by the two newest staff welfare facilities vans). The logo seems to be of a bearded welder with tools behind, arranged to look like a horned Viking helmet! Perhaps more interestingly, the blue plate below this logo states that the vehicle was 'Custom built by Feltham Commercial Coachworks Ltd'. Feltham Coachworks are listed as the manufacturers of bodies DB20, DB22, DB23 and DB24, but all of DB1 to DB18 have always been listed by LUL/DSM as having been built by Locomotors.	08/10/2021	Thomas Young
44		While preparing a larger copy of this photo for the new version of the website, I noticed that the Vauxhall just peeking in the left background is K865AUK, an Astramax van that was also in the Armchair fleet. Although only a little more of the van is visible in the original, it seems to be in the normal white/orange fleet livery. This updates the information on LTSV which has always shown it as being grey.	08/10/2021	Thomas Young
45		There is no open connection from Bollo House to the other two sites. 8219 has a bay at the end of Bollo House which is self-contained.	26/09/2021	Ray
46		Vehicles entering the lorry yard do so by the main entrance. Only vehicles leaving Frank Pick House make the detour through the lorry yard.	26/09/2021	Ray
47		For nine years I drove a 1982 Land Rover very similar to this. What you describe as a canvas roof is actually known in Land Rover circles as a 'safari roof'. It is a second metal roof with a gap of around an inch between the actual vehicle roof. It is designed to help keep the vehicle cool in hot climates by reflecting heat from the sun and they were invariably painted white irrespective of the the rest of the bodywork. When I used to drive my Landy, people of African descent occasionally used to come up to me and congratulate me on driving what was for them, often the first car that they ever saw or drove back home. :)	06/08/2021	Dave Warby
48		History details show it was allocated to same.	03/08/2021	Ray
49		The Jubilee Line extension project had a small fleet of these, with full time chauffeurs, to transport site engineers between the various worksites - Does anyone know if this was one?	03/08/2021	traintest
50		The event was the launch of the Silver Jubilee Routemasters. Escort van 1871F was also there. The bus was actually BS2, not a BL.	26/07/2021	Andrew Colebourne
51		That's some amateurish lettering on the body - it looks more like it should be read as 'London Machine Lillie Underground Shop Bridge'!	18/07/2021	Adam Floyd
52		That looks a Lada following it, or possibly an early Polski-Fiat. Definitely not a British car anyway, so naff colours weren't limited to the UK motor industry.	18/07/2021	Adam Floyd
53		This lorry also appears in the background of a photo taken at Acton on 12th September 2019! See photo of 8888T.	03/07/2021	Thomas Young
54		I have just noticed that this lorry also appears in some (unpublished) Acton 'flypast' photos taken on 11th February 2020. It seems likely that it has remained on hire to LUL continuously since at least that date. Does that mean it should be added to the database?!	25/06/2021	Thomas Young
55		I have now received a couple more photos taken during this incident, which provide more details of the vehicles involved. These photos will be added to the website soon.	23/05/2021	Thomas Young
56		Thanks to ID and SS I can add that this photo (and the similar one of 748P) was taken at the LGOC Centenary Parade in Regent's Park on 16th July 1956. An ex-STL tree lopper also took part, as did a Country Bus inspector's motorcycle.	23/05/2021	Thomas Young
57		Derek mentioned that this minibus was actually being used as a crew ferry vehicle at the time of the photograph.	23/05/2021	Thomas Young
58		Derek pointed out that the presence of an electric vehicle charging point adjacent to the orange building in the 'old' bus station is most likely the reason for the Nissan being here.	23/05/2021	Thomas Young
59		Derek advises that 8419T was also at Stratford City on 18th May 2021, so I have added this as a transfer.	23/05/2021	Thomas Young
60		Saw this again, at the same place, a few days later. It remains unmarked on the nearside!	22/05/2021	Lidinson
61		The red crane may be the new Jones Super 22 crane I saw in Chiswick Works on 22/4/69,that bore the asset number 89/215 on a small brass plate. I would like to know a lot more about the administration of these asset numbers as it is IMHO problematic to view a newer Jones crane differently to its older brother 968R which was also a Super 22!	06/05/2021	Clive G
62		Paul R has advised that early Mk2 Escorts were in 'Carnival red', which was a sort of tomato soup shade. Later batches came in a darker shade known as Venetian red.	05/05/2021	Thomas Young
63		They were definitely an orange red colour, not too dissimilar to NBC Red.	29/04/2021	Kim Rennie
64		It seems/seemed that these park at TH at the weekend (Sundays in particular). No idea why!	22/04/2021	Lidinson
65		the exit/entrance at the top end was only for pedestrians (i.e. staff).	22/04/2021	rtwbus
66		The straight forward answer because of covid and resources we didn't collect it as it was low priority. It wasn't going to be used because of the lockdown.	19/04/2021	David C
67		Curiously I dug out my 1983 diary today, looking for something completely unrelated to this. And I found that on 2nd July that year I went to Manor House and met Mr W E Hillman, head of Leaside District. No mention of the prize, or of anything else in fact.	16/04/2021	Thomas Young
68		Just awaiting to be collected for Eltham to replace KE14FJO.	27/03/2021	David C
69		It seems I didn't do enough research when writing this caption! These buses did not have a door in the rear when new. There was instead a large boot, the top hinges of which were more-or-less in line with the beading band (which originally wrapped around the rear). Above this were the registration plate (flanked by indicator lights), then two destination blinds (side-by-side) and finally the two windows as seen above. The rear door and towing attachment were added when the vehicles were converted to service vehicles, and the rear lights were also replaced. Thanks to Ian D for spotting this.	14/03/2021	Thomas Young
70		This angle clearly shows how the later all-red roundel never fitted properly into a frame designed for a red & black lettered LT bullseye.	12/03/2021	Kim Rennie
71		I think this was grey to begin with.	12/03/2021	Kim Rennie
72		The white lettering may have been culled from LTE legal address transfers.	12/03/2021	Kim Rennie
73		The white outline roundel looks like the type fitted to MB-family vehicles for a time	12/03/2021	Kim Rennie
74		According to lads with it 7 million Euros worth!!	04/03/2021	richard
75		For many years GY came under the SE District of the Southern Division of LT CB&C so I wonder if RE did too? Even in early LCBS days Grays and Romford were in the SE Area timetable book.	21/02/2021	Kim Rennie
76		Note the ''slim'' version of a standard 1970s LT Abacus bus shelter	21/02/2021	Kim Rennie
77		Caption updated with corrected information about ground markings.	21/02/2021	Thomas Young
78		Got to be option 1 for me,Tom.	19/02/2021	Bob Milner
79		Also at Eltham 19/2/2021	19/02/2021	Ray
80		FB578 is preserved at Quainton Road. Fully restored. I have photos if they're of interest Tom?	10/02/2021	Damon
81		Due to go soon I understand.	04/02/2021	David C
82		Phil has advised that the two buses visible at the back were DMS2100 and DMS2158, which were transferred to provide a source of spares for the other DMSs returned to service. These two buses were in LT red livery with white upper-deck window surrounds.	29/01/2021	Thomas Young
83		Saw some recent internal views online. Not a single reminder of LCBS days left, let alone LT. The canteen area vastly reduced in size and probably relocated (I believe the original area - designed for a staff of 300 - was converted to offices under LCNW). A sad end. The glass entrance doors bearing roundels went even earlier.	18/01/2021	Kim Rennie
84		My dadÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s bus number was T256	15/01/2021	Varley
85		My Dad drove this vehicle when it was a bus, I have a picture	15/01/2021	Varley
86		I suspect Kim is right but, if so, it looks like they didn't bother changing the plates. The text on this one still reads 'GLC Exempt Vehicle'.	15/12/2020	Thomas Young
87		Didn't the GLC ''lorry ban'' carry on after the authority was abolished but under a slightly different name?	15/12/2020	Kim Rennie
88		Derek very kindly dug out his notebooks for August 1985 and was thus able to confirm that the minibus seen here was indeed 3010F. Although it is only partially visible, I have added a subject link.	15/12/2020	Thomas Young
89		The location of this photo is now known to be Parsons Green's overflow lorry park and the caption has been amended.	07/12/2020	Thomas Young
90		The location of this photo is now believed to be Wandsworth Garage and the caption has been amended.	07/12/2020	Thomas Young
91		The location of this photo is now believed to be Wandsworth Garage and the caption has been amended.	07/12/2020	Thomas Young
92		This must be a Priestman Panther Dragline as it is very similar to the 7mm scale model kit of that vehicle produced by Duncan Models. They also make one with a shorter jib as in the LTM photo of GKH349 at Hammersmith plant depot. That is described as a grab bucket (clam shell), so it appears these jibs were interchangable. Looking back through my ABCs I first noted GKH349 some time between August 1962 and August 1963 at Parsons Green depot, describing it as a dragline excavator. I do remember jib pieces stored on the ground there along with cement mixers and dumper trucks so they could have been for the grab bucket.	23/11/2020	Clive G
93		Note the LT 'dolly stop' in the background	21/11/2020	Kim Rennie
94		My understanding is that vehicles mostly visited for routine docking and repairs. That was the case previously with Putney Bridge, and then Riverside, before Stockwell took over the work. It would be interesting to know why and how the work was divided up when Walthamstow became involved. Sadly of course it closed in 1991, post privatisation, when a strike had a result that the many ex LT staff never anticipated.	15/11/2020	Clive G
95		Would it have been going to Crown Woods car show?	14/11/2020	Ray
96		The film advertised on the nearest bus is Charlies Angels, released in November 2019. It seems that the COVID-19 situation has led to many bus adverts not being replaced or removed.	07/11/2020	Thomas Young
97		I understood the plant engineer attended to bus washers, fuel pumps and tanks, lifting equipment, garage sweepers and all that sort of stuff.	31/10/2020	Clive G
98		I've just noticed that these Crafters differ from the LBSL vans and the LUL crew vans (and indeed the first LUL van 8934VW) in not having any white between the front grille and the bumper.	31/10/2020	Thomas Young
99		Now known to be numbered 9038F.	24/10/2020	Thomas Young
100		Just two days after publishing this photo (and mentioning BusView), I received an announcement that BusView was being relaunched! It still has the same somewhat clunky interface but the sheer quantity of data more than makes up for this. The database contains details and histories of over 500,000 vehicles, as well as a lot of information about bus companies and other operators. If you are interested in UK buses, this is the program you need. Some service vehicles are also included, particularly minibuses. BusView is only available as an annual subscription service. You download the program and the main database, and the data is updated at regular intervals throughout the year. There is a 7-day free trial period followed by a Ã‚Â£60 first-year subscription, rising to Ã‚Â£90 per year thereafter. One change that has been made is that the program will no longer work if you do not renew your subscription. With the previous version, you no longer received updated data but you could still use the program. For more details visit https://www.busdata.co.uk/.	05/10/2020	Thomas Young

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